Wednesday, September 17, 2008

something to think about...

what do these people have in common?

TD Jakes
Joel Osteen
Rick Warren
Bill Hybels
Robert Schuller


Now, what do you have in common with them?
What do you have in common with Jesus?

If you can agree with the teachings of these men more than you can agree with Jesus, then I pray that you can see a need for change. Their message is not the same as the message proclaimed by Jesus.

I will say it over and over and over again...
Who do you follow?

Ray Boltz just recently showed the world who he follows. He claims to follow Jesus. Think of it this way...

I am walking down a sandy beach. It is a beautiful day outside with a slight breeze. The shoes are off as I let the sand massage my feet. It can get pretty hot sometimes but then the cooling effects of the water does its thing. It refreshes my feet. Someone sees me walking and decides to follow me. He is curious as to where I am going. I am not really "going" anywhere in particular, just going for a leisurely walk. But this person decides to follow me anyway. He sees some of his friends and he hollers out to them to walk with him as he follows me. So his friends all join him. They talk about all kinds of things while they are walking and following me. I even heard them once mention something about the Bible and about God. Now, I had lost my desire to continue walking. It was getting noisy behind me, so I ask them to please go somewhere else to walk. They refuse, they want to "follow" me. I ask them again, to please take that other path, it is wider and easier for you to talk to each other and you can talk about whatever you want to over there. They said "No" to me. They want to watch and see where I go. So, I decide to do some teaching to them. I tell them about God's Law and how it exposes sin within us. I tell them how they need to repent of their sins and to put their faith and trust in God. They say, "No, we just want to watch and see where you go." I tell them that where I am going, they cannot go. In fact, unless they repent of their sins, they will not go there. When I finally tell them exactly where they are headed, they finally decide that they have "seen" enough of me. They head home having gained nothing from their time with me.

Who do you follow? What motivates you to follow God?
Ray Boltz has followed after the wrong person. I cannot and will not support a person who claims to be a Christian in one sentence and follows it up with saying it is perfectly okay to live in sin because "God made him that way."

Let me tell you something...
we all have within us the ability to be homosexual
we all have within us the ability to be a thief
we all have within us the ability to be a murderer
we all have within us the ability to lie

we all have sin living within us.
We have a choice to make...

Will we decide to chase after our sins?
Will we decide to engage in lustfilled desires?

Or, will we decide to follow God and listen and obey His Words?
Ray Boltz has decided against being faithful and obedient in favor of living out his sinfilled life. The repurcussion is going to be a sentence of Hell, UNLESS he repents!

Who do you follow?
Put your faith and trust in Jesus alone to save you!
Repent and be obedient to the One who Saves!

Your life will never be the same! You will have persecution, trials and tribulations! And you will count it all as JOY! That is not what the world teaches and in fact, that is what most churches do not teach. The Bible teaches that.

Who do you follow?
Listen to your pastor give his sermons. Is he truly preaching God's Word or is he just telling you what you want to hear?

2 comments:

WayneDawg said...

Brian -

There has been an on-going debate/point-counter point on my blog with DP over the issue of homosexuality.

Finally - I asked him to give me an exegesis on the following verses.....

DP – Please give me an exegesis of the following verses……..

1 Cor 9:6-11 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.



Here was his response:

Of course, we are back inevitably, to the authority of scripture; a principal I espouse but the misuse of what the Bible has to say about homosexuality deserves attention. There are five groups of passages.

* First of all there are the stories of Sodom and Gibeah in Genesis 19:1-25 and Judges 19:13-28. The actions described here so graphically are homosexual and heterosexual rape.

* Secondly, there are the references in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, regarded as key texts in this matter by conservative evangelicals. These passages relate primarily to idolatry, as 18:21 suggests. The Hebrew here rendered in English as ‘commit an abomination’, an offence which carries the death penalty, is a term often employed in the Old Testament of idolatrous practices.

* Thirdly, there are the accounts in 1 Kings 14:24; 15:12, and 22:46 of male prostitution at idolatrous shrines.

* Fourthly, there are quite explicit references in -Romans 1: 18 - 27 to homosexuality. These verses, too, are central to the conservative evangelical case. The context is pagan idolatry. Paul argues that male and female homosexual orgies are the consequence of idolatry, the nature of which he describes in some detail. Men and women, having known God’s clear revelation, ‘have refused to honour him as God, or to render thanks’. Therefore, Paul says. God has ‘given them up to their own vile desires, and the consequent degradation of their bodies’. To be abandoned to orgiastic homosexual passion is, Paul argues, God’s punishment for rejecting him for man-made idols. We find the same ideas in Wisdom 14 and 15 on which Romans l:18ff is virtually a commentary.

* Finally, there are the lists in two of Paul’s letters of ‘the lawless and disobedient’ who will not possess the Kingdom of God’. They include ‘sexual perverts’ or ‘sodomites’ (depending on the English translation) (1 Cor. 6: 9; 1 Tim. 1:10). Given the many cults in Corinth and other cosmopolitan cities, and as Paul’s lists of virtues and vices are taken almost unmodified from conventional pagan lists, there seems little doubt that these references, too, relate to male prostitution and possibly also to child sexual abuse.

Therefore, strictly in their contexts, these biblical passages refer not to the homosexual condition but to homosexual rape and prostitution and to homosexual activity in the course of idolatrous practices. This is the evidence. This is what the biblical writers unequivocally condemn. To equate these gross immoralities with adult, loving, long-term, committed consensual gay and lesbian relationships is a gross misuse of scripture. To use these passages in a homophobic polemic is disgraceful.


Of course he basically attacks the authority of Scripture to start with, but could you now give me an exegesis on the same Scripture?

Thanks for you time.

pastorbrianculver said...

i would love to Wayne! give me some time though as I am at work right now. I will get back to it later today! God bless