Doorman Comment -- UPDATE #2

The title of this blog is: time2changechurches. It is meant to get our churches back to preaching God's Word, all of it faithfully without compromise. It is not meant to take what little biblical teaching are found in some churches and to make it worse by ignoring what Scripture says on matters of importance!

The following is a comment I received from a man in the UK who is a "priest." I will warn you now that there is some stuff here that is not pretty to see coming from a "Christian." I will interject my comments in blue print so you can see my responses.
so, here we go...

But of course I only have to justify myself to God, Luke 10:29 says, "But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?" So often when the conviction of God's word strikes our hearts, we try to justify ourselves rather than simply throwing ourselves on the mercy of God and changing our hearts and lives. If the expert who had come to test Jesus had honest motives, Jesus' question, affirmation, and reply would have been enough. But, the expert wanted to look righteous more than he wanted to be righteous. How many times does this pattern of behavior reflect you? Let's realize that we cannot justify ourselves, but can find our righteousness only in God's grace given to us in Jesus Christ. Then let's go out and seek to live his life in the world as we are supplied by the power of his Holy Spirit!

and it does worry me that as neither of you have ever met me you can not know me nor judge me. This is a simple question, but it has the most profound consequences. Can you really tell a tree by its fruit – or was Christ lying? I want to make this as simple as possible. In the midst of a sermon on lawlessness (lawless people are those who hate God and reject His holy commandments) Christ said in Matthew 7:16-20, “You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.” These are profound statements. They press Christians to deal with the reality of judging things to be good or bad, evil or righteous. How do Christians view men? How do they view false teachers or hypocritical church members, as in this context? Christ and His apostles often told us that false teachers plague the church (Matthew 24:11ff; Acts 20:29-30; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:1, 4:3). How discerning should we be?

What you also do not and can not know is how far towards the likeness and image of God I have moved since my conversion experience - the new attitude you speak of. All I have to do is look at your comments you post on here as well as your own blog posts to see whether you are in the faith or not. If you were not a professing Christian, I would not be as concerned because I could count it as you being lost, but you profess Christ and yet by the evidence of your blog and comments, the fruit does not match your profession of faith. I challenge you on it, not to condemn you but to shed some "light" on sin. Perfection over night? No, nor within a lifetime, sadly, or I wouldn't be human and subject to the human failings which are sin. Are you really saying that once saved we never sin again. No, as I have told you over and over and over again, we as Christians do sin, but it is an attitude that hates the sin that we do, we do not post it as something to be proud of. I need to tell you that is not the gospel. Judging from your comments and your blog, I will not take your assessment of what is or is not the gospel. I only take what the Bible says. It is the same Bible that you believe in is error and I believe is inerrant.

You do not know what life I led before and therefore how much more into the image of my saviour I have been transformed in the intervening time. I will never be perfect any more than either of you will be. You are right, I do not and cannot know how much you have changed. No doubt you have changed since you first believed. It is a constant growing that needs to be done. But without repentance there is no salvation. I still occasionally use intemperate language when faced with idiot drivers. I know it is a problem which I need to work on in the grace of God and the power of his Spirit through confession and repentance. If you want the evidence to match your words, I might suggest you go back over your other blogs that you have posted and remove any questionable language or topic that is not glorifying to God.

How is any of that different from any of the things you have said? I will prove the difference at the end of this post!

And yet... and yet, somehow I do not conform to an image of the Saved you have, yet you can not tell me why. It is not a matter of an image that "I" have, it is what the Bible says should be evident in the life of a saved person. You will know them by their fruit! In all of your comments that I have disagreed with you on, I have always stated biblically why I disagree with you, and yet, and yet, you have not once given any biblical evidence to support your stance. You say the same things to me and I agree with you. So we are saying the same things and yet you still find a way to disagree with me. We are not even close to saying the same things. The words might be the same but the definition of those words is altogether different! I will disagree with you on anything that is contrary to what the Bible says, because I take it seriously that if I am going to have a blog, I want to uphold biblical truths and not let just anybody make comments that go against the Bible. I do not assume that everyone who comes on here is a Christian. I have seen comments from people on your blog that you claim are Christians and some of their comments are so far removed from being biblically accurate and yet, and yet, you do not correct them. So is it okay to ignore false teachings????? Really, is it okay to ignore false teachings?
What is the chance that this will be published? Yes, you will be happy to know your comment was published. Not in its entirety because the last part was directed to someone else. I am only commenting on the part directed towards me. So for the people reading this, you might wonder why I posted this comment on here instead of in the comments section. Because I want you to see the character of a man professing to be a Christian. He comes to your sites too. Look at what he has posted on one of his blog sites (and he is a man who professes to be a Christian lay minister)

One comment he posted about me was this...
"Go on, tell him evangelicals misinterpret what the Bible says on homosexuality and watch him have a heart attack." Actually Doorman, the Bible says that no homosexual will enter heaven without repentance. That means changing your ways. It means believing what the Bible actually says about it and then doing it no more. That's called being obedient to God's Word. You can't just pick and choose which verses you will believe. If you are living a bi-sexual lifestyle, you need to repent of your sins. Why else would you want to justify this position? We need to be honest, we are doing no one any favors if we ignore the teachings of the Bible.

how about this one in reference to me, found at another site by Doorman...
I think what really angered me was that for the first time another Brother actually seriously questioned my status as a Christian. There appears to be some doubt about whether I am saved.

Really?

Oh well, brothers in arms, or the three musketeers. and he wonders "WHY" I question whether he is saved or not?

and how about this one from Doorman...
Hi, ***: couldn't agree more. I have been enjoying our pincer movement over on Pastor Culver's blog. I suspect T** will never get it. Now for those of you who do not know what a "pincer movement" is, you can click here Now, is he engaged in a battle with me? Only if he thinks he can go counter to what the Word of God says. This should tell you more about the person who is a professing Christian.

"What most of my colleagues and pupils have not sussed is that my infinitely calm, patient and reasonable approach is an act and masks an altogether different alter-ego. For instance when I say: “Excuse me, I’m not asking you to do anything unreasonable and I still need you to get on with your work without arguing. Thank you.” What I really mean is: “Why don’t you just f*ck off, you ignorant, ugly little twat.” (I put the * sign in the word because it is offensive and inappropriate for a man of God to be speaking like this.) Here is another one...

(Sorry luv, come on through. By ‘eck you’re a fat lass aren’t you?) Pete. Didn’t you say ‘e were a sex worker? (You’re new here aren’t you pet? Not from around here? Got any Yorkshire in you? No? Would you like some? Only joking. Ha, ha, ha)
“Did I say who was a sex worker?”
Are you starting to see why I am leery of having him post comments on my site? He comes as a troll to invade your blog and to input his beliefs which are not biblical in hopes of changing your thoughts. Don't let it happen!

“No, Eddie. What I said is: the new lad’s a protestant.”
“I was only asking is all. What’s that then?”
“The lad’s a priest.”
“Jeff? Jeff’s a priest. F*ck me.” Again, I had to input the * sign!

"Too dull for you?" asks a passing moron as if a lack of mayhem was a disappointment." calling people morons, not exactly loving your neighbor is it?

"Poor old Eddie. I think he knew the writing was on the wall when they advertised for Gay Doormen to work a new club - and got them. And they looked more macho than him which is no mean feat."
“I’ve got a d*ck thick as a baby’s arm, me.” has it sunk in yet?

But poor Eddie, bless him, couldn't quite grasp exactly why "F*ck off N*gger. You ain’t coming in here,' might possibly be construed as racist and offensive. I don't care if other people are saying this, it is not necessary to print the whole words on your site. Use some discernment.

“Yeah. Pete said you were sensitive about it. Go on. I don’t know what to say to her.”
“How about “Knee him I the n*ts girl?”
“No seriously though. Surely the Bible says something about bl*w j*bs?”

"Probably Leviticus", I think. sounds like someone is a little obsessed with sex.

“You mean Eddie. Big, fat ugly guy. Ginger, no front teeth, dog breath, thick as pig sh*t. Tattooed neck and a scar on his cheek. Can’t keep his flies done up." are you disgusted yet that a person who says he is a Christian and yet feels like I am judging him. All I am doing is warning him that the real judgment will come from God. He will not weigh your good works with your bad and find you worthy of heaven. He will see your unrepentant attitude and sentence you to hell. I just want you to acknowledge that these comments need to be removed if you want to be taken seriously as a Christian, otherwise, do not ever post a comment on here again.

Here are some comments he has posted.
"I have a very bad case of Driver's Cursing. I remain unconvinced that this on its own would be enough evidence on the judgement day to prove I was not saved when weighed against the other evidence." If I had not seen the other stuff listed above, it would not be a big deal. But when combined with everything else, it just confirms what has already been stated.

"However, I can learn from Ghandi that I need to be more like Jesus and how I live my life must be a positive witness of the faith I proclaim. If it isn't others will look at me and say that they can't see Christ and if his followers can't model something that reflects Jesus, why should they take any notice of what we say?" now go back and look at all of the filthy language that was used and tell me again how that is being a model of Jesus to the lost world! another one on the blog says...

"Most people who visit here are already Christians and I remain convinced that face to face witness is best. I nevertheless pray that those who visit here as unchurched may see through me and my visitors a glimpse of the Gospel." if a person is unchurched and they see the language you have posted on your blogs, again, I fail to see how that glorifies God and how they see the Gospel through you. Actually what they will see is the world within you. You are to be "set apart" from the world!

If the language is not removed from your site, I will not post any of your comments on here again, as I do not want to send anyone to a site that has that kind of disgusting language on it! Many families have children and I would hate for them to come across it and think it is acceptable!

Every morning I pray that I might see God in those I meet and that that they might see God in me. You can see my struggle here. I can tell you, they will not see God in you if you continue living for the world instead of for God! The attitude MUST change and with it comes repentance. You can stop it cold turkey if you really wanted to. Just like homosexuals can stop if they really wanted to. It is about honoring God and BELIEVING His Word and then being obedient to the Word of God!

You are known by the company you keep. Until this person comes to a point of repentance, I would be very careful about letting him post comments on your blog, lest he try the "pincer movement" on your blog!
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UPDATE
I received a comment from Doorman even after telling him to not post a comment here again until he repents and removes the offensive language from his site. Hence the term troll.
The right of reply for the character assasination?
I am just posting what you yourself have written down. No character assassination involved.
Well thanks Pastor for the publicity for my blog "***********l". Much of what you accurately quoted was from the mouths of real people in real situations. Thats part of my ministry: to be where those who are not likely to meet God are to be found and this I have done as a doorman the problem is a matter of discernment. As Christians, this kind of language should be offensive to you and it definitely should not be posted.

Note that the conversation about the pupils was merely about what was in my head, not what was said. I have no excuse. I am after all a sinner in and need of forgiveness. We are none of us perfect. that's right, none of us are perfect. The problem is that the foul stuff came from inside your head. That should tell you something about the lack of "change" in your life. I could understand if you posted that stuff before you were saved. But you didn't, you posted it "after" you were "saved." Have you heard the expression, "Garbage in - Garbage out?" It is about what we put into our head will cause us to spew out the very garbage that we are taking in. That is why it is necessary to make a change, to purify and to cleanse what you take in. The only way that can happen is through Jesus Christ. If you have not had a desire to change, then that is just more evidence of not being saved. You should not only desire to no longer speak like that, but you should see continual improvement each and every day. Asking for forgiveness should come immediately after committing the sin!

The pincer movement was a throw away comment on having met two other folk on your blog who were posting much the same ideas as me. There was no concerted plan. it still shows what is in the heart! And it also shows when I check who has been to my site and I see your friends come on here within a few minutes of you almost every time!

My blog is a learning journal for my thoughts, to chart my progression and development. some of that would be better served to be kept private. Other people do not need to see the language you have on there.

I still say that you do not know me well enough to make any judgement at all. You do not know me at all. If I witness a man robbing a grocery store, I think it is safe for me to say, "that man is a robber!" If someone kills someone and I came across the evidence, I would call him a murderer. You have posted things that are disturbing to me as a Christian. How many times do I have to tell you, "I" am not judging you. It is God's Word that is convicting you. Will you accuse God of character assassination when he points out your sins to you? All I have to go by is the Word of God. HE IS THE WORD! I might not know you, but he knows every hidden thing you have ever done and unless you repent, you will perish. To perish means you will go to hell. That should bother you, but I can tell by your responses it doesn't!

What worries me is the lengths you have gone to "unmask" me today. we are told in the Bible to expose false teachers, false prophets! Not a pretty sight when you look at it like this, is it?

You must feel very threatened. I have God's Word in front of me. I fear no man! The fact that you persist to try getting in your points of view, shows me that it is you who feels threatened. Because you know that what I am saying shows you are condemned to hell if you don't repent!

BTW: **** surgery was very successful and the prognosis is good. Thanks for your prayers. I am thankful the surgery went well. That is good news!
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Check this out, I received a comment from Susan, who originally posted as what?, she is a wife/ex-wife of a friend of Doormans.
Guys, I see nothing but pure venom in this post. Brian and T**, it seems to me you are so busy preparing your rebuttle you're not hearing what Doorman is trying to say. As for pure venom, it is amazing that you consider Scripture to be venom. As to not hearing what Doorman is trying to say, I would say it is the other way around. We are trying to help him understand that he needs to repent of his sins. I hold no animosity towards Doorman. I am sure he is a nice guy. I am concerned for his salvation. That is what someone who cares about his neighbor should do. If an attempt to have someone re-examine their faith to make sure they are truly repentant makes me out as venomous, then I am sorry you feel that way. But I will not have someone come on my blog and accuse me of being venomous, so with that, please refrain from posting comments on here again. He was told that he would not be able to comment without repenting and removing the offensive language (of which you seem to have no problem with).

Doorman, why are you feeding the fire when you know they have no desire to hear you out? Doorman, you know your conscience is talking to you. You admitted yourself that you have "no excuse" for the language you used. You can read all of what you yourself have posted above. You are right when you say you are a sinner, but you need to stop trying to justify yourself and just admit that you have sinned against God and God alone have you sinned. Then repent. That is all God is asking of you.

All the trees appear to bear fruit, but it's starting to smell rotten. the key word is "appear" to bear fruit. But when someone has not repented of their sins, they lack the fruit of repentance given by the Holy Spirit. And you are so right Susan, when the fruit of repentance is not there, it does make the professing "christian" smell rotten!

You guys need to agree to disagree and walk away! Well, I am not walking away from my own blog. I hold the Bible as the standard to live by. God's Word is what I will agree on. I will not agree to disagree when it comes to what the Bible says. If someone is going to come on my blog and try to spout out unbiblical heresy, I will not just turn the other cheek. I will 100% of the time confront them on it. Because I do not want anyone to go to hell. Satan would consider that to be a bad thing. But any TRUE Christian would see that it is the loving thing to do so a person can have time to repent before it is too late.

I have heard of trolls, what is the female version of troll? a trolless?